Winter Camp XLII - 2018


Leader:Ian McKeeeverKeith King
Activities/Program:Brian MaghranEthan Rein
Kitchen:Nicholas CaruanaSteve Donohue
Scout's Own:VacantVacant
Participation Award:VacantVacant

Planning Meeting

The planning meeting for Winter Camp XLII will be on November 23, 2018 at 1:00 pm. The location is the ancestral home of the Donohue's:
2042 Markese
Linoln Park, MI 48146. Any questions can be addressed to Steve Donohue at 313-919-0106.

The meeting is open to anyone who has a good idea and especially anyone going to camp. You can also pay at this event.

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On Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 20:13:54 EDT, K2 said
FYI, the test kitchens are BYOFE. (Bring Your Own Fire Extinguisher)

On Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 10:25:52 EDT, Ethan said
I'll check out cornmeal pancakes sometime soon. I've got some cornmeal at home (purchased to make peameal bacon, which is fantastic).

Similarly, I just bought a tortilla press and will report back how I think it would go to make them at camp.

On Tuesday, 14-Aug-2018 09:26:38 EDT, Steve said
I've probably made 5,000 or more pancakes from scratch (flour was free at Camp Connestoga) but never corn meal pancakes. Most of the recipes I saw seemed to use a mix of corn meal and flour but there were some that said "exclusive".

Maybe we should take a page from Keith's book and operate a "test kitchen" on some of these things like he did for pasties. Maybe we could declare every other weekend a test kitchen day and ask people to try to make something we think we'd like to try from scratch to see how hard it is and whether it's worth the effort.

On Sunday, 12-Aug-2018 22:48:21 EDT, Doug said
Don't believe I have ever had cornmeal pancakes. Sounds like it would go good with back bacon!

On Sunday, 12-Aug-2018 22:15:23 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
Going back to April's list of foods to make from scratch, I'd like to suggest that, if pancakes hit the menu, we replace them with cornmeal pancakes for some variety. This substitution would probably work better for a prepared breakfast rather than the continental. That said, I think it could go either way.

On Friday, 10-Aug-2018 11:22:00 EDT, Steve said
My thought was flaming bags, but probably some kind of gout of flame on a shot in the hole is better. It will probably have to be gas based (like release and ignite some propane) so we don't have to reload every time there's a good shot. Maybe with electric ignition and a kill switch so bags can be removed safely between rounds.

On Wednesday, 08-Aug-2018 14:19:07 EDT, K2 said
Just so it's been asked... which part(s) would be flaming? The board and/or the projectile?

Alternative idea, it would be cool if it lit on fire if you made it in the hole. The much quieter equivalent of the pin ball machine when you get a point.

And, agree with Ethan, definitely an outdoor activity.

Asking for a friend, at what point do we need to have a waiver attached to the wintercamp registration form? ;) Or is that why the "are you human" check on this post was the 10th point of the scout law?

On Wednesday, 08-Aug-2018 12:47:35 EDT, Ethan said
Flaming cornhole sounds great to me. I'll point out that it would make a much better outdoor activity than an indoor one.

On Tuesday, 07-Aug-2018 18:02:52 EDT, K2 said
Pretty sure we already had a chili contest...

On Tuesday, 07-Aug-2018 14:00:57 EDT, Steve said
Someone in the office today has a cornhole board, which of course led me to the idea that Cornhoe might be a decent game for camp, plus we could loan our boards out as a year-round promotion at other chapter/lodge events.

Then I realized the regular cornhole might be a bit pedestrian. I thought about blind cornhole, but just adding blind isn't usually enough to make things (other than hikes) better.

We have a welder, which means we could probably have a metal cornhole board. Metal is, for the most part, fireproof which let me to the idea of flaming cornhole. I mean if I can juggle flaming balls, I'm sure we could recreate the tech in a cornhole board.

Anyone else down for "Flaming Cornhole" as at least part of a Winter Camp event this year?

On Saturday, 04-Aug-2018 00:34:33 EDT, Gabe said
For a small pyrotechnic display, I found out that you can make hydrogen gas by mixing shreds of aluminum foil and toilet bowl cleaner in a container (glass not plastic or metal for safety) small enough to be covered by a balloon. Then we could put a couple of these balloons out as targets for flaming arrows.

On Tuesday, 31-Jul-2018 14:07:08 EDT, Steve said
I sent Jacob a note. I think tonight I’ll send him our alleged flyer and registration form.

On Monday, 30-Jul-2018 20:17:46 EDT, Jacob Ferns said
What is the Winer Camp fee

On Sunday, 29-Jul-2018 10:54:40 EDT, K2 said
But if we don't let first year scouts going against seasoned veterans, how will we ever get to witness again classic battle chess battle circle matches such as the infamous Donohue vs Kasprzak? I mean, even though we all knew the outcome, it didn't make it any less entertaining.

On Sunday, 29-Jul-2018 10:57:27 EDT, Steve said
Strength and agility should be in, just not the only thing. Cooking, parkour, outdoor sports, juggling, playing, whatever people want to show off that makes them awesome. Maybe we could do it then make a challenge to other chapters.

On Saturday, 28-Jul-2018 22:07:09 EDT, Ian said
The snacks from around the world i think fits the theme very well, how well do you think Mas Wrestling would work? I think it would work great as long as we separate scouts a little bit so its not someone me or Brian M size going against a small first year.

The campers are awesome idea I second, i think it would be awesome, but can it include strength stuff?😂 lol

On Saturday, 28-Jul-2018 21:46:37 EDT, Steve said
I am a big fan of People Are Awesome (look them up on facebook or youtube). They show video montages of people doing amazing things.

I wonder if we could do some "Campers are Awesome" clips showing people with crazy talents who happen to attended Winter Camp. I don't think it would have to be limited to the acrobatic/strength stuff they often focus on. We could ride unicycle, play instruments, flick disks, cook pancakes, or whatever.

On Saturday, 28-Jul-2018 00:55:37 EDT, Jacob Ferns said
Hi! I'm currently writing the Migisi Chapter newsletter for the August meeting. Has anything been decided on themes or highlights yet?

On Friday, 27-Jul-2018 14:27:35 EDT, K2 said
Additional feedback...

It was time consuming to make the pasties. Plus quality control was a must as far as a quality end product. The two I made were quite sad looking, so I called for backup when it came to making the rest.

Oven space could be an issue. They seemed to take up quite a bit of space on a sheet pan.

We could address both of the above issues if we baked them ahead of time, and just reheated them when we wanted to eat. They do reheat well.

On Friday, 27-Jul-2018 14:24:15 EDT, K2 said
Did a trial run of pasties, can confirm a few things:
1. 1 is plenty. Especially if we have any kind of a side dish with it.
2. Cubes would be easier to mix. I tried slicing and while it was a good end result, I had to cut them up after slicing to make it work when wrapping it up.
3. Same crust as pie crust.

On Saturday, 21-Jul-2018 11:24:18 EDT, Doug said
I guess you could make them any size, but usually 1 is enough. If I remember correctly each one has a bit more than cup of filling. For camp probably 1-1/2 would be a better portion.

Making them seems right for winter camp - All the vegetables (potatoes, carrots, onion, and rutabaga) are cut up in approximately 1 cm cubes. Throw it all in a plastic bin with the meat and spices put on a pair of rubber gloves and hand mix. I haven't worked on the dough part of the operation (usually I'm cutting up rutabaga and doing the mixing). Pretty sure the crust the same as pie crust.

On Friday, 20-Jul-2018 22:33:23 EDT, Steve said
So are these pasties big enough to make 1 each a reality or would 2 be more likely?

On Friday, 20-Jul-2018 20:07:32 EDT, Doug said
Joy and I have made pasties several times with the Farmington Methodist church as a fund raiser for missions. Each batch had 20 lbs of meat and made around a hundred pasties. The recipe is from a former pastor and certified yooper. One of the key elements of that recipe is coarse ground beef rather than standard "hamburger meat". The guy who runs the pastie sale is in his eighties is still active in the church scout troop, works on habitat for humanity type missions (he went to Puerto Rico last year) and rides a motorcycle! Sure we could get a copy and scale it for WC or home use.

On Friday, 20-Jul-2018 09:47:15 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
I think I'll have some time in August to experiment in the kitchen. I'll report back on any positive pastie experiences.

On Friday, 20-Jul-2018 14:12:33 EDT, K2 said
It might help if we have a certified yooper to show us the way to pastie goodness. If not, my mom's side of the family is Finnish and I could give it my best shot at helping to make them. No guarantees though since I'm a fraction of Finnish at this point.

On Friday, 20-Jul-2018 12:42:10 EDT, Steve said
I don't think we have. I suspect some of us have memories f inferior D-A pasties that have soured us on them forever.

They used to come unwrapped in a heater stack. Steam would turn them into sort of one giant conglomeration of meat, veggies and dough.

On Friday, 20-Jul-2018 09:47:15 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
Have we ever made pasties at Winter Camp? Seems like something we could do.

On Thursday, 19-Jul-2018 21:58:07 EDT, K2 said
I should be able to get stuff from Mexico and Amsterdam via work if you wanted. Canada too (don't even ask for kinder eggs!)

On Saturday, 14-Jul-2018 21:23:43 EDT, Steve said
Just watched a video where people tried Japanese snack foods. It didn't go well.

What if we had a Winter Camp snacking event with snacks from all over. I think I could chase some down through my friends at work and online.

On Wednesday, 11-Jul-2018 19:57:16 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
Looks like a complete list to me! Great party!

On Wednesday, 11-Jul-2018 14:03:41 EDT, Steve said
Definitely a great time. I was trying to figure out attendance. Who am I missing?
1 Oakley
1 Adam (Haubenstricker is too hard to spell)
1 Howey
1 Hunt
1 Draper
1 Pezet
1 Bollman
2 Horns
2 Osvaths
2 Rands
2 Donohues
4 Reins
4 Wilsons
5 Kings

I've probably missed someone but that's 28 which is pretty good.

On Sunday, 08-Jul-2018 19:31:45 EDT, K2 said
Great party! Thank you to the Wilsons for hosting us again!

On Sunday, 08-Jul-2018 14:07:19 EDT, Ian said
Unfortunately due to a back injury and work i will be unable to make it today

On Thursday, 05-Jul-2018 06:38:39 EDT, Steve said
Got the note out to the chapter mailing list. Maybe we’ll see a few more people.

On Monday, 02-Jul-2018 12:13:22 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
Can't wait! 4 Reins from Lansing will be there.

On Monday, 02-Jul-2018 10:31:55 EDT, Doug said
Don't miss the El Mediodia party this Sunday, July 8th, 2PM till ??? at the Wilson's. Festivities will be at 9515 Woodbend Dr., Saline 48176 (about 6 miles south of I-94 and 3.5 miles west of US-23).

Join us to celebrate Winter Camp 42 being closer than WC 41 with an afternoon/evening of food, fellowship and fun. Great opportunity for your family to meet some of those unique winter campers they have heard inexplicable stories about for years. All Winter campers and their family members - past, present, and future are welcome.

Plan to bring a dish to pass and lawn chairs. Hosts will provide a main dish, tableware, and a variety of soft drinks. Rumor has it there will also be an ice cream bar with various toppings and an opportunity to refill your grits topping kits, so bring those along.

There will be an assortment of games and activities for all ages. Might be wise to watch a couple of YouTube videos on model T driving if you want to give that a shot! Bring your swim suits if you are interested in kayaking or taking a dip in the lake.

Please pass along this invitation to other interested parties, post on Facebook, etc., for those who don’t regularly check the website or are not members of the WC elders group.

See you on Sunday,
Doug and Joy Wilson

On Tuesday, 19-Jun-2018 15:29:05 EDT, Steve said
The one I saw they boiled some potatoes, corn, and carrots first then combined with shrimp and sausage. Any of it seems pretty good

On Tuesday, 19-Jun-2018 13:59:17 EDT, Ethan said
Seafood (or fish) foil packs sounds great!

On Tuesday, 19-Jun-2018 08:53:05 EDT, Doug said
We have made Salmon foil packs with tomato and spices several times in the oven. It always turned out very well. Could probably add rice to the mix to have a no pot meal, but would need to have enough residual moisture.

On Sunday, 17-Jun-2018 21:19:11 EDT, Steve said
Just saw a video on a seafood foilpack, kind of a jambalaya thing. I think we could redeem ourselves from our last seafood meal and revitalize foil packs in one go...

On Monday, 11-Jun-2018 07:07:21 EDT, Ian McKeever said
I should be able to make it out for a day of service if it's on a saturday

On Wednesday, 06-Jun-2018 14:13:59 EDT, K2 said
The properties committee is organizing a service day to work specifically on the Pines at D-BAR-A on Saturday, July 7th, starting at 8am and going until people quit. Lunch will be provided!

The list of work is still being finalized, and here's the tentative list so far:
- Finish 2 latrines (roof, paint, etc)
- Clear out trees / brush around pavilion
- Electrical work

Please let me, or Tom Griffin know if you think you can make it, and feel free to share this! If we run out of work, we'll find more.

On Saturday, 02-Jun-2018 23:22:13 EDT, Doug said
We could have a pre-planning meeting at the El Mediodia party on July 8th. See my earlier post (May 6th) for the details so far.

On Friday, 01-Jun-2018 16:57:39 EDT, Ian McKeever said
Sorry i havent been active very recently, been a little busy, what are the highlights? And any possibilities of a pre pre planning meet?

On Thursday, 31-May-2018 13:43:32 EDT, K2 said
Nerf guns or squirt guns could be a good alternative.

On Monday, 28-May-2018 15:24:16 EDT, Steve said
Kristie was just watching a video about skeet golfing. I doubt we could do that at camp, but maybe something with blowguns and beach balls could make our Olympic cut.

On Monday, 28-May-2018 15:24:16 EDT, Steve said
Kristie was just watching a video about skeet golfing. I doubt we could do that at camp, but maybe something with blowguns and beach balls could make our Olympic cut.

On Sunday, 27-May-2018 09:18:14 EDT, K2 said
Maybe we should have a non-Newtonian meal?

On Friday, 25-May-2018 17:01:30 EDT, Steve said
Winter Camp needs an ooblek event

On Thursday, 24-May-2018 07:36:36 EDT, K2 said
We could make it a game where the non-cooks guess how many ingredients were in each dish.

On Wednesday, 16-May-2018 12:12:36 EDT, Steve said
A whole meal with a limited number of ingredients might be fun. I mean we could make it easily y serving steak and potatoes or something (or make it a breakfast of bacon and eggs) but it would be more fun to try to cook a meal where you didn't realize the limited palette until after you ate it. Something with an entree, side, bread, and dessert would be a fun challenge.

On Monday, 14-May-2018 08:20:02 EDT, K2 said
Three ingredients would be challenging, could be fun figuring that one out.

Another one that might be fun is the prime meal where the number of ingredients in each dish must be a prime number. Maybe put the youth in charge of that meal?

I think a 31 ingredient spaghetti would be interesting... or is that just called Rand Stew at that point?

Sounds like Jeff is suggesting we amend the CCG course to have a third hole located in the Sea of Tranquility.

On Sunday, 13-May-2018 22:56:33 EDT, Jeff said
I recall that Alan Shepard hit a golf ball about two miles with a single stroke on February 6, 1971. It was a significant news event.

On Sunday, 13-May-2018 21:57:01 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
I like it. I have an "X Ingredient Cookbook" around the house somewhere. I could loan it out if we need ideas.

On Sunday, 13-May-2018 19:39:19 EDT, Steve said
Just saw a video for 3 ingredient peanut butter cookies.

What if we had a meal where everything had to have exactly three ingredients? Alternately maybe a meal where there are x dishes and there has to be a dish with exactly 1, 2 , 3, up to x ingredients.

On Thursday, 10-May-2018 21:27:10 EDT, Steve said
So I heard about two games today that are popular in India. They're both kind of like tag.

In Kho Kho, each team is 9 players, 8 of them sit in a row facing opposite directions. The 9th has to try to catch (tag) the 9 members of the other team. There are some reules about crossing the line of players. Fastest team wins.

Khabadi is another tag game. Two equal teams each of which has a court of their own. One player from one team enters the court of the other. He tries to tag the other players and get back to his court; the other players try to catch and stop him. Anyone who he touches is removed from the field and he scores a opint for each that he touched. If he is caught, the capturing team scores a point and noee are removed.

On Thursday, 10-May-2018 07:56:54 EDT, Steve said
Was listening to Wil Wheaton on the radio today. They asked him about his nerd passions. I think a lot of people know he plays board and role-playing games. Today he mentioned that he likes to make sourdough bread including a collection of starters from different parts of the world.

We need to invite him to Winter Camp.

On Wednesday, 09-May-2018 14:44:18 EDT, K2 said
So is that only factoring in gravity?

If we factored in air resistance, how would that affect its trajectory? I'm thinking based on air resistance alone, we would need to increase the velocity. That is, unless the aerodynamics of the golf ball produce any significant amount of lift?

On Wednesday, 09-May-2018 14:25:48 EDT, Alan said
Assuming no air resistance and flat ground, I calculate a minimum muzzle velocity of 32.2 kTad/Jiffy, or about 215 miles per hour. That's only 4 mph faster than the current world record for fastest golf ball drive.

On Wednesday, 09-May-2018 10:28:11 EDT, K2 said
"They did the math" question...

What would it take to score a hole in one on the cross country golf course?

Based on my SWAG measurement on google maps, it looks like it's approximately 3120 ft (0.59 miles) as the crow flies.

Google says a pro golfer can hit up to ~320 yards (960 feet), and I doubt any of us are going to be able to top that except maybe The Beast.

At what trajectory / velocity would a golf ball need to be propelled for it to theoretically land in the hole, assuming no obstacles outright prevented it being a possibility (e.g. trees)?

Do we need to account for curvature of the earth / Coriolis effect? I'm sure changes in elevation will need to be accounted for.

Just curious.

Somewhat but not really related question... what does Rand Rules have to say about the use of drones?

On Tuesday, 08-May-2018 23:02:38 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
All of Steve's suggestions sound good for a flyer. Given their usual status as important free time activities, I would suggest adding something like, "As usual, Winter Camp will give you an opportunity of experience the coolest board games" or something along those lines.

On Monday, 07-May-2018 16:36:54 EDT, Steve said
I'll put up a facebook event tonight.

Maybe we should think about a price for Winter Camp and a few events we could put on the "marquee" for a flyer. Being able to say we're having an Olympic theme is cool, but it might be better if we could commit to a few events to put on the flyer.

Same thing with some food items. Maybe we could brag about homemade bread, pizza, and donuts as some marquee items -- those are three things you don't see at many campouts and that we're pretty sure to deliver on.

For activities, I'd like to make sure we make it clear it's not just for jocks. Maybe we could talk about the "Fire, Fire, and More Fire" opening ceremony, the Spears and Spelling Biathlon, Homemade Sleds, and maybe a Winter Decathlon?

Are there other things we should consider for a flyer?

Last year's prices were 45.45 and 50.50. I'd propose a $2.02 bump to each as we lost about $15 last year.

On Sunday, 06-May-2018 20:17:53 EDT, Doug said
Just 5,766 jiffys until the El Mediodia party. That’s Sunday, July 8th, 2PM for those unfamiliar with the universal measurement system. The festivities will be at The Wilson's, 9515 Woodbend Dr., Saline 48176 (about 6 miles south of I-94 and 3.5 miles west of US-23).
Join us to celebrate Winter Camp 42 being closer than WC 41 with an afternoon of food, fellowship and fun. All Winter campers and their families past, present, and future welcome.

Just like last year, bring a dish to pass and lawn chairs. We will be providing a main dish and soft drinks or could throw some burgers on the grill, for those heretics in the group.

This year in addition to the badminton tournament, we will be featuring Model T rides and an opportunity to try your hand at driving a car that you select gears with your feet and operate the throttle (and ignition timing) with your hands.

Please feel free to pass along this invitation to other interested parties, post on Facebook, etc., for those not on the elders group or who don’t regularly check the website.

See you in about 9 weeks,
Doug and Joy Wilson

On Thursday, 03-May-2018 21:34:18 EDT, Steve said
I started updating the Encyclopedia WinterCampica today. I started by updating all the people.

On Sunday, 29-Apr-2018 21:40:46 EDT, Doug said
Check out the Pioneer Women's Glazed Donut recipe on Bless This Mess. You make the dough the night before, they cook in hot oil for about 3 min. could be possible for breakfast---Mmmm fresh donuts

Lot of other good suggestions Uncle Ethan and K2

On Saturday, 28-Apr-2018 21:22:19 EDT, Steve said
I think doughnuts would be better as a snack given the likely prep time.

On Saturday, 28-Apr-2018 09:40:18 EDT, Ethan said
I think a doughnut snack (or breakfast) would be a huge hit.

On Saturday, 28-Apr-2018 07:04:54 EDT, K2 said
A few other ones that are crowd pleasers, especially when made from scratch...

Cinnamon Raisin Bread
Cinnamon Rolls
Coffee Cake
Salad dressing

Never made it before, but found a recipe online for Gingerbread Pancakes with Whipped Cinnamon Butter. Sounds way too delicious to not make it for wintercamp:

On Friday, 27-Apr-2018 09:25:13 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
I made a list of some foods that I think would be interesting to make from scratch. If any of these find their way onto the menu, I'd be happy to be in the kitchen helping.

Baked beans
Refried beans
Gingerbread cookies
Cranberry Sauce
Corn muffins

On Wednesday, 11-Apr-2018 13:38:31 EDT, Steve said
Not that I know of. On the other hand, having a party this year would allow for an anniversary party next year.

On Tuesday, 10-Apr-2018 16:46:38 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
Is the penny experiencing a noteworthy anniversary this year?

On Tuesday, 10-Apr-2018 11:31:49 EDT, Steve said
That was my idea.

On Monday, 09-Apr-2018 16:09:36 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
Would the birthday party be thrown in honor of the penny?

On Monday, 09-Apr-2018 15:35:18 EDT, K2 said
It's fun because it's thrifty!

On Monday, 09-Apr-2018 12:27:42 EDT, Steve said
Not Olympic related, but I think we should have a birthday party for a penny (or a bunch of pennies) during Winter Camp.

I'm not entirely sure why I think this would be fun.

On Wednesday, 04-Apr-2018 10:49:59 EDT, Ian said
I support the idea of Lucha Libre as an Olympic Event

Lucha Libre is my favorite type of professional wrestling!

On Friday, 30-Mar-2018 22:05:07 EDT, said
What if we had some "sports medicine" or a science portion where we measured things. Like do stronger/younger/older people have a stronger knee reflex. If you do that thing where you empty a gallon jug one-handed, does your strength matter in terms of the floating effect?

On Wednesday, 28-Mar-2018 19:37:01 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
Limerick contest sounds great. I like the volume part.

On Wednesday, 28-Mar-2018 08:08:09 EDT, Steve said
Just had a revelation:

Our Olympics could include Masked Mexican Wrestling...

Okay, more serious note: we could have a team limerick contest. You get about an hour to write limericks maybe on a series of topics. MOst is s win and then there'll be a judged version too for the best limericks. Probably some rules like no rhyming with Nantucket, for example.

On Friday, 16-Mar-2018 07:57:23 EDT, Uncle Ethan said
I can't believe I forgot Camp Moose Peterson!

On Thursday, 15-Mar-2018 21:21:12 EDT, Steve said
would Moose Peterson and Rifle River be eligible?

We could do whatever we wanted including no theme other than "Scout-like".

On Thursday, 15-Mar-2018 20:12:46 EDT, Ethan said
I'll propose a follow up to Steve's comment. "Something else" teams could be .... OLD CAMPS! Imagine Team CHR going up against Team Brady in the gold medal Snow Soccer game! There could also be Silver Trails and Mikanakawa teams.

On Thursday, 15-Mar-2018 15:53:30 EDT, K2 said
Sounds great! As we generate these ideas, if anyone is interested in having the honor of coordinating the activity, say the word and you've got dibs! But if you wait too long, you might miss out on the opportunity to lead that activity! Beat the christmas rush! Volunteer TODAY!

On Thursday, 15-Mar-2018 13:07:11 EDT, Steve said
Maybe we should consider forming 3 or 4 teams on the first day. Some events would be team events, others individual.
We could also consider making team flags and cheers right after lunch on the first day. Team names could be real or made up countries or something else.

On Tuesday, 06-Mar-2018 16:11:49 EST, Ethan said
Sounds great to me!

On Sunday, 04-Mar-2018 14:00:44 EST, Ian said
Ok sweet, ill post on the facebook page that its olympics, i will build the podiums, i have a lot of plywood😂

On Sunday, 04-Mar-2018 13:51:27 EST, K2 said
:: plays Olympic theme song ::

Should be a crazy good time!

On Sunday, 04-Mar-2018 12:17:32 EST, Steve said
Mas Wrestling looks pretty cool.

On Sunday, 04-Mar-2018 09:35:58 EST, Ian said
So everyone is fine with an olympics theme? I like the need a right answer to throw the spear or knife idea, the spelling bee idea would be cool, and i definitely would like to see a decathalon type thing. Another idea i had was Mas Wrestling, ive seen a lot of videos of it and always thought it would be something neat to try

On Friday, 23-Feb-2018 02:03:35 EST, Steve said
Should have been more clear. There are targets with numbers or letters you have to hit. This letters or numbers are the right answers

On Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 23:18:32 EST, Steve said
I wonder if we could do some sort of mixed events. Like you have to get the right answer and then throw a spear or knife or whatever and stick it. Maybe we could do something with ice and breaking it. Sort of combine getting the right answer with a physical challenge. That could be a team event...

On Thursday, 22-Feb-2018 09:21:03 EST, Uncle Ethan said
I think a spelling bee would be great. We could split up into self designated difficulty groups (think of them as "weight classes") and have several winners.

On Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 21:01:44 EST, Steve said
Just saw a video of different party food rings. Seems like we should have a ring meal at Winter Camp and maybe some bundt cake just to carry the theme of the Olympics.

On Wednesday, 21-Feb-2018 19:42:08 EST, Steve said
I think we need to make sure that at least some of our Olympic events rely on technique rather then just physical ability. We might also consider some math or trivia. Olympic spelling bee? Just need to make sure we have enough different contests that everyone has a chance to win something (or at least do well).

On Thursday, 15-Feb-2018 07:35:31 EST, Dave Oakley said
Steve- on your nickname list back on 1-12-18 - you missed me - "Oak". Thanks. Ian-K2- Uncle Ethan- I can get Olympic type medals for games. I also have some hula hoops that are taped together like the Olympic symbol. I like the decathalon idea. We can have guys try cross country skiing a little- shoot targets and move on for spear throw.?? I have tons more ideas and games that worked at previous Klondikes. I am already saving cans to make more smudge pot candles. I have the cardboard for both sleds and candles.

On Wednesday, 14-Feb-2018 21:33:57 EST, K2 said
Duct tape is a huge advantage when making sleds from cardboard. Highly recommend using it.

On Wednesday, 14-Feb-2018 15:15:30 EST, Ethan said
Craft idea - We could make sleds out of cardboard and twine (or duct tape). Then, we can take them down the face or maybe the BC dam.

I think the lodge had did this for a few year around 2007-10, but I'm not sure. That was around the time I
stopped regularly attending events.

We'd need a "no snow" contingency plan for this event of course.

On Tuesday, 13-Feb-2018 18:21:05 EST, K2 said
We'll be like Amazon trying to find a new HQ!

On Tuesday, 13-Feb-2018 14:59:08 EST, Steve said
I think different cabins should try to be selected as the host for camp. Reps for different cabins could put together a bid package explaining why a particular cabin/subcamp should host Winter Camp XLII.

On Tuesday, 13-Feb-2018 14:13:17 EST, Ethan said
Steve's ideas sound good to me. I especially like the idea of using host countries as organizing principles for different days.

On Monday, 12-Feb-2018 20:13:40 EST, Steve said
Olympics is doing pretty well. I think if we go with it we should have meals from different host nations. This clears the way for Limburger as lamb is popular in Greece. We could also have Coney dogs as a lunch. Maybe we could have homemade baklava for a dessert somewhere.

I would suggest we skip the Future Olympics but do have some Olympic style events. Maybe we could do like one venue a day with some events from that location. We should do some real events like running and spear throwing but also some made up ones like synchronized kneading or rhythmic table setting.

We should have the biathlon (running and poker) and maybe we could have a contest where we build podiums or invent medals with craft stuff from Uncle Etan

On Tuesday, 30-Jan-2018 11:13:12 EST, Ethan said
Ian set up a poll to get feedback on these at the Winter Camp Facebook group. I think it's set up so you can add ideas. Not sure how long it's open for business, but I think it's active right now (Tuesday, 1/30)

On Monday, 29-Jan-2018 13:43:21 EST, K2 said
Could play 99 red balloons on a loop too!

On Monday, 29-Jan-2018 12:02:02 EST, Timothy kasprzak said
If its not too late for theme ideas what about a cold war fallout theme, we cpuld have pur own doomaday clock, maybe make sheltors like we did a few years back. Mre meal, capture the objective cpuld be capture the nuke lol. I feel theres a lot that can ve done with the theme.

On Wednesday, 24-Jan-2018 18:39:37 EST, K2 said
In my first tentative official act as pending adult adviser, I approve of Uncle Ethan's message.

On Saturday, 20-Jan-2018 10:36:23 EST, Uncle Ethan said
In my first official act as Activities Adviser, I have recruited the leaders of Winter Camps I and XLI to plan and execute at Murder Game at Winter Camp XLII.

On Thursday, 18-Jan-2018 21:21:28 EST, Jeff said
There is an Access version of the Murder Game used in 2004. Prior to that we used a TRS-80 and were slow typists.

On Thursday, 18-Jan-2018 13:48:22 EST, Steve said
One of the issues with the Murder Game as we've typically played it is that only a couple of people actually get to kill anyone. It's probably more realistic to have very few murders, but it might be more fun to play it like an assassination thing where everyone has a target. When the guy targeting me succeeds, I give him my target. It keeps working like that until someone gets themselves as a target and at that point, you know they've won.

On Thursday, 18-Jan-2018 12:13:51 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Any youth out there interested in being the coordinator of the Murder Game? Alternatively, does anyone have a recommendation for a leader?

On Wednesday, 17-Jan-2018 13:52:37 EST, K2 said
Consequences could be one thing. We could also restrict it by requiring a specific method. IE with a poisoned batch of rand stew. Maybe like a reverse clue game? Where it tells you who, where and with what you're supposed to do the deed. You get more points for each criteria you get. Some points for one. More points If you get two. Even more points for all three. Tie breakers could be time, not knowing who was the hit man, etc.

On Wednesday, 17-Jan-2018 12:22:22 EST, Steve said
I think Jeff wrote a version of the Murder Game that works using Access but I'm not sure. It would still take someone to run it though. The game needs something to provide consequences; right now if I'm ordered to kill Jeff, only my own desire to be clever stops me from just walking up and shooting him in front of the whole world. That works for some people but not everyone. It woudl be cool if there was something in game to discourage public killings.

On Tuesday, 16-Jan-2018 19:50:13 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Looking over the manual makes me think we could have a Murde Game as a “big” activity. It might be useful to recruit a youth leader specifically to set up and run such a game.

On Monday, 15-Jan-2018 08:45:09 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Lacrosse would fit in with a an Iroquois theme. I've never tried to play it, but I think we could have fun.

On Sunday, 14-Jan-2018 19:50:25 EST, said
What if we contemplated Native Americans or perhaps Iroquois as a theme? We could have some traditional foods for a meal or two, play some games and activities, and work on regalia for the team. We could also do other Indian Lore related stuff.

On Saturday, 13-Jan-2018 17:31:12 EST, Jeff said
Our means could produce a significant and memorable ceremony.

On Saturday, 13-Jan-2018 15:06:57 EST, K2 said
I'd be all in for putting on an unforgettable show at the face... at least what would be within our means. Remote ignition fire pit, W's, etc. Fire, fire and more fire.

On Friday, 12-Jan-2018 23:06:07 EST, Steve said
Didn’t cubs (maybe 1058 too) make donuts with refrigerated dough back in the day?

We’d have todo some planning on what sorts of things we wanted for the site and characters. Maybe we’d do a lot of regaliabut we could do candles and other stuff too. We could also have some training on performance since we’d have some pretty good performers there.

On Friday, 12-Jan-2018 22:15:49 EST, Doug said
El Mediodia Party - Save the Date July 8th (Sunday Afternoon) at the Wilson's in Saline. Details later.

Lots of great ideas and activities already for XLII. I would be totally up for homemade doughnuts!

Maybe we could have a last ceremony at the BC "Face" site with all (or at least some) of the trimmings. Could be a Brotherhood or just for ourselves.

On Friday, 12-Jan-2018 15:06:32 EST, Uncle Ethan said
Regarding the regalia, do you think we'd have enough stuff to work on keep everyone busy? It seems like we could if there were groups for head dresses, shirts, trousers, and so on. I could probably get my hands on a loaner sewing machine. I married into a family with lots of sewing machines.

On Friday, 12-Jan-2018 13:10:54 EST, Ian McKeever said
Being as 2018 is an olympic year i believe, i think an olympic theme would be neat, have a torch lighting ceremony, point system for activities and a medal ceremony at the end of the weekette, i can even build the boxes. But some of the other ideas would be fun too, is there a way we could set up a poll system so theres a group consensus on theme? Also in regards to meal prep, my dad and i have tried to get my troop to do this for years, do some prep work before like chop lettuce etc, or if theres a meal that takes forever to cook like beef stee for example, make it, freeze it, and bring it up. If anyone needs to contact me directly my number is 3133531095, text is preferred, just please include your name if you do

On Friday, 12-Jan-2018 12:04:53 EST, K2 said
It's still a work in progress. Here's the theme suggestions that have been offered so far (if I miss any please chime in):
American Folklore/Legends
Famous Uncles
Big project activity (making a movie, having 50/100 dish banquet)
Return of the One Hit Wonders
One and Done

On Friday, 12-Jan-2018 01:41:12 EST, Ian McKeever said
Sorry i havent been participating in the discussions ive been a little busy, i wouldnt mind being the youth leader again,can anyone outline for me the big points people have posted and theme ideas?

On Thursday, 11-Jan-2018 12:06:37 EST, Steve said
I think an Uncle Ethan's Craft Hour on ceremonial regalia could work. I think Kristie and I can both sew well enough to make the pieces of an outfit and we have a couple of sewing machines lying around.

On Thursday, 11-Jan-2018 11:10:00 EST, Ethan said
Any thoughts about doing some ceremonial training or prep at Winter Camp? We could make candles or do something with outfits or something like that. There was some interested in "More OA Stuff" on the evaluations. This would be especially fitting if Brian Mann come back and is still in his role as ceremonies adviser. Another way to integrate more fully with Order of the Arrow program would be to do some sort of leadership or practical (like Unit Elections) training.

On Thursday, 11-Jan-2018 00:54:20 EST, Steve said
In the lore of Winter Camp, 41 years of no squirrel clearly makes it a tradition, not an outrage..

On Wednesday, 10-Jan-2018 23:12:07 EST, Steve said
Maybe Winter Camp needs a 25th Amendment.

On Wednesday, 10-Jan-2018 21:40:58 EST, Steve said
We haven't updated our nickname list in about 20 years. I'm sure we've missed a few. My list would say:

The Beast: Ron Donohue
Bollmen: Bollmans
Boxhead: Eric Rohloff
Canadian, The: Chris Kirshcke
Captain Underpants: Kieran Bledsoe
D3: Dickson Mann III
Daha: Stephen Donohue
HO: Harold Oatley
Hector's Boy: Steven Paz Pejuan
Howard the Duck: Howard Hammes
K2: Keith King
Luru: Louis Pezet, Jr.
Mister Horn: Roger Horn
Old Bob, Fish Scale Head: Robert Stone, Sr.
Oooswah: Michael Osvath
The Queberite: Michael Perez
Pitchfork: Kenneth Pitchford
Pockets: Adam Pezet
Sockless Wonder: Chris Adams
Squirrelly: Reed Shannon
Stick Man: Joseph Cipponeri

Who am I missing?

On Wednesday, 10-Jan-2018 20:40:49 EST, K2 said
41 years with no squirrel on the menu is 41 years too many! STRIKE!! STRIKE!!! No squirrel, no peace!! :: flips over table ::

On Wednesday, 10-Jan-2018 18:24:09 EST, Steve said
I'd still say no.

On Wednesday, 10-Jan-2018 15:07:37 EST, K2 said
Never say never! A squirrel is similar to a rat... we could try squirrel on a stick. I think it loses something though...

On Wednesday, 10-Jan-2018 10:59:12 EST, Steve said
I want to make sure we're all agreed that "Real Rat on a Stick" won't happen.

On Wednesday, 10-Jan-2018 10:54:07 EST, K2 said
Bagels might be a fun one to try as well!

I can take one for the team and be a kitchen assistant for taste testing / quality assurance when it comes to making the doughnuts... wouldn't want there to be any sub-par ones that made it out the door!

On Wednesday, 10-Jan-2018 07:57:36 EST, Ethan said
Adding another item to the "let's try making it from scratch" list - doughnuts. I'd be happy to be an adult in the kitchen for a doughnut snack or breakfast.

On Tuesday, 09-Jan-2018 19:34:38 EST, Ethan said
The Winter Camp XLI evaluation summary is out in today's email. Let me know if you didn't get them but would like to.

On Monday, 08-Jan-2018 16:15:17 EST, Kristie D. Donohue said
I was trying to think of a way to put this delicately, but you're absolutely right. I truly hadn't carefully pondered that enough. A Day of Hiking with Jeff sounds like a PBS special. He could be the hiking version of Bob Ross, but with less hair. Really though, I think it's still doable so long as there are clear parameters. Maybe it could be mob boss style where The Don could be in charge of the Weekette, but at the November planning meeting, each day has a consigliere.

On Sunday, 07-Jan-2018 22:22:29 EST, Steve said
I'd be a little afraid of "one and done". What if your day has things you're not good at? I don't think we'd want to have each advisor/youth determine their own schedule for the day -- Jeff's day of hiking and my day of boardgames might not appeal to everyone.

On Sunday, 07-Jan-2018 11:38:05 EST, said
Raze the Village is a good uncle activity too. Uncle Ethan builds it and Uncle Rob razes it...

On Sunday, 07-Jan-2018 07:17:55 EST, Ethan said
Raize the Village was a good one time only affair.

I think the Salute to the States banquet was only held once and I’d love to be a part of a second round.

On Saturday, 06-Jan-2018 23:30:28 EST, Kristie said
I started looking through the encyclopedia for One Hit Wonders but it'd be helpful if people who were there could chip in with memories. (It's a big encyclopedia.) My thought wasn't necessarily that each day be filled with One Hit Wonders. Maybe a couple of activities and a meal/snack, and new complimentary activities/meals to fill things out.

On Saturday, 06-Jan-2018 23:25:06 EST, Kristie said
I also thought that for some future WC, it would be fun to have One and Done adviser/youth days. There would be one theme for the weekette, but each day would see a different adviser/youth combo. This would allow each team to focus in hard on the details of their day.

On Saturday, 06-Jan-2018 19:41:01 EST, Steve said
Kristie wants to do one called "Return of the One Hit Wonders". Activities that we did once that were pretty successful but never repeated for some reason.

The first one i thought of was Extreme Bowling, but I'm sure there are a bunch more.

On Saturday, 06-Jan-2018 17:56:31 EST, K2 said
Uncle Buck, Uncle Kracker, Uncle Sam, Uncle Jesse, Uncle Fester...

On Friday, 05-Jan-2018 21:16:57 EST, Steveq said
New theme idea: Famous Uncles. Uncle Rob, Uncle Rob Dyrdek, uncle Ethan

On Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 23:02:41 EST, Ethan said
Given the planned excavation in BC, we could probably get permission to chop down some trees over by the face as part of a Paul Bunyan / Lumberjack portion of an American Folklore themed weekette

On Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 22:15:51 EST, chris kirschke said
we could do a space theme

On Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 22:01:10 EST, Steve said
Here are some legends we could consider:
Paul Bunyan
John Henry
Johnny Appleseed
Mike Fink
Pecos Bill
Davy Crocket and/or his wife Sally Ann Thunder Crocket

The last couple of them are real people with some legendary tales. We could also extend to include stuff like Bigfoot and Chupacabra

On Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 17:08:00 EST, Doug said
I think American Folklore/Legends would be a good theme. Maybe a different one for each day. Also would support the big project/special banquet idea.

For any who have taken Faygo bottles to return, Walmart glass bottle machine took them no problem. Returned $10.60 (about half Faygo bottles). Will forward to the local WC treasurer.

On Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 12:09:43 EST, Ethan said
Based on the feedback I've come across, I think we might be able to get a lot of excitement out of the youth about some sort of big "project" activity or meal (like making a movie or having a 50/100 dish banquet). There's seems to have been a little more appetite for direction (at least in terms of the kitchen) that we adults provided. Also, it's been a while since to took on a major undertaking. Any thoughts?

On Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 11:30:04 EST, Ethan said
I think a “Tall Tales” or American Folklore theme could be really good for activities and meals.

On Wednesday, 03-Jan-2018 09:34:56 EST, Steve said
I was thinking about maybe "Lumberjacks" as a theme but wasn't sure there would be enough things we could do. That led me to the thought of "American Folklore/Legends" where we could maybe do activities based on things like Bigfoot, Pecos Bill, Paul Bunyan, Johnny Appleseed, and maybe some others.

On Tuesday, 02-Jan-2018 23:04:40 EST, Alan said
Only 33000 Jiffies until Winter Camp!
(Testing to make sure my notifier script got changed over correctly. I am pretty sure that everyone who checks here knows about it, but I made a script that will send you an email whenever something new gets posted to this Winter Camp planning page. Add your email at

On Tuesday, 02-Jan-2018 16:20:31 EST, K2 said
A couple theme ideas that might be easier to embrace, Canada or USA.

On Tuesday, 02-Jan-2018 16:17:38 EST, K2 said
Something we did at work that was fun was everyone wrote down 3 things about themselves on a sticky note, 2 were true and 1 was false. All of the sticky notes were put into a bowl and were randomly read one at a time. After each note was read, we would try to guess who it was describing and then we'd try to guess which one was false.

On Tuesday, 02-Jan-2018 15:28:54 EST, Steve said
I think for next year we could have a “Some of Us” game as a get to know you. You have to say something about yourself that is true about you and 3-6 others. Too many or too few and you don’t get to eat yet. After the first try by everyone, they go in descending order of commonality. Another idea would be it should be true if their table but limited in scope for others.

On Tuesday, 02-Jan-2018 12:35:35 EST, Steve said
You just did a great job. Hard to see why anyone would want to step in. Maybe you’ll be the next Stev Donohue :)

On Tuesday, 02-Jan-2018 06:11:41 EST, K2 said
Unless someone else claims it by 11:59 PM WCST on 2018-01-31, I will declare myself as the adult adviser for WC XLII! Should someone else claim it, I'll happily serve as the Activities / Program adviser for them!

On Monday, 01-Jan-2018 10:47:28 EST, Steve Donohue said
Any volunteers for leader or adviser?

On Wednesday, 27-Dec-2017 17:43:31 EST, Ethan said
Let’s make baked beans from scratch

On Wednesday, 27-Dec-2017 17:41:14 EST, Ethan said
The previous comment was not left by me

On Wednesday, 27-Dec-2017 17:28:04 EST, Ethan rein said
The revolution of no utensils and roof climbing begins

On Tuesday, 14-Nov-2017 00:23:37 EST, Steve said
Anyone ready to serve as the youth leader or the adviser for Winter Camp 42.

This one might, after all, be the answer to the question we all wonder... What is the Meaning of Life?

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